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i'm poppy harlow in new york. >> i'm jim sciutto in washington. breaking news. in just the past few minutes in the conflict between israel and palestinian militants that, if confirmed, could be a major turning point in this already deadly conflict. >> the breaking news is that the military faction of hamas al qassam brigade that is operating in gaza has announced that they've captured an israeli soldier whom they are holding that soldier as a prisoner. we're working very hard to verify this claim and looking for further announcements from hamas. no comment yet from israel on that hamas claim. more people, though, died today on both sides of the israeli/palestinian conflict than on any single day since the latest wave of violence started. 13 israeli soldiers and 87 people in gaza have been killed. most of them in one town that was targeted for an intense air
strike by the israeli military. >> israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu spoke to cnn a few minutes ago. he said people say the israeli response is too much are frankly wrong. >> there are very few examples in history of countries that have been rocketed on this scale. if you look at our response, it's actually very measured and trying to be as pinpointed as we can. >> we're going to take you live to gaza but right now we'll give you the latest on malaysia airlines flight 17. >> along the russia/ukraine border disorganized groups still patrolling much of that crash area that spans many kilometers. it literally litters landscapes for miles and miles. it is severely complicating attempts to end investigate the crash site. 298 souls. one of the biggest questions at this hour remains where exactly are those so-called black boxes? the leader of one pro-russian
rebel group seen here with his guard says his supporters may have recovered those devices. he says they will be turned over eventually to international investigators but stresses they are not going to give them to the ukrainian government. also this video shot on friday apparently also was distributed today by reuters. it appears to show one of the flight recorders being carried from a field. there is no real way to confirm what exactly that man is holding. in terms of the search for those 298 people aboard flight 17, 27 more bodies have been found bringing the total number recovered thus far to 233. pro-russian rebels say they've transferred almost 200 bodies to refrigerated train cars, but they've given no word as to where they'll release those bodies or where they're going. the leaders of britain, germany,
the united states all speaking out against vladimir putin. in the words of australian leader tony abbott, quote, russia can't wash its hands of this. earlier in the day john kerry told cnn that the missile system that brought down flight 17 can be traced back to russia. >> it's pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from russia in the hand of separatists. we know with confidence, with confidence that the ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point in time. so it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists. >> cnn crews are on the ground very close to the flight 17 crash scene. phil black joins us from donetsk. this morning releasing another audio recording seeming to show rebels trying to get their hands on the flight recorders even talking about how russia wants to get its hands on them. when these recordings were
released earlier, u.s. officials said they couldn't confirm them but later said they believe them to be true. what about this latest one? does it look to be authentic? >> well, it's interesting, jim. this comes the same day as the rebel leadership says that, yes, we do have items in our possession that may be the cockpit voice and data recorders. a day ago they denied it. they said we're not touching the wreckage. we don't want to contaminate the scene. now they say they do think they have them, will not hand them over to ukraine. only to international expert. they don't trust the ukrainian government. the ukrainian government doesn't trust them too much either so that's why there are those audio recordings that they show -- or i should say they are indicate or they are of a conversation between various rebels talking about the need to track down the black boxes because nameless people in moscow are demanding that they do so. take a listen to this.
[ speaking foreign language ] >> we can't verify just how accurate these recordings are, but the ukrainian government says it's another big piece of evidence which backs up their case, a case which is clearly gathering support around the world that russia had a hand not only in the weapon that was used to shoot down the aircraft, but now in attempting to cover up the fact that a weapon likely from russia was used in shooting down the aircraft. that is the ukrainian case.
you've heard it as one that the united states administration is clearly has considerable belief in as well. but the militants on the ground insist they know they have nothing to do with it. they've insisted they're not trying to cover up anything as well, jim. >> you listen to that recording, if you wanted to script something that would be the proof that the russians wanted to be the black boxes, it would be scripted exactly like that. it is an information war. i want to talk about the crash scene today. there have been some reports that the various international observers have had access. but at the same time shocking reports coming out. there was evidence that some people had stolen credit cards off some of the deceased passengers and used them. i mean, more evidence of people interfering with that site. i wonder what you're hearing and what you were seeing there today? >> we've certainly seen evidence of people interfere.
yes, clearly things have been moved around. we've seen personal effects piled up. clip bags opened. we don't know by who, we don't know what their intent was. we don't see any evidence of things being stolen or those reports of credit cards being taken and perhaps used as well. but there's certainly a question mark, and that's because of the security at the site and the various crash sites across this very wide debris field, the security is so poor. the main impact areas that we saw today were more secure certainly. i think that is an improvement to 24 hours ago. but in terms of mounting a proper investigation here and ensuring that this scene wasn't tampered with, the proper security wasn't in place and the investigators, the experts are still not on the ground. >> incredible these day ds after the attack, the investigators are still not there. phil black one of the first to get there himself. since the crash of malaysian airlines flight 17, the ukrainian government and pro-russian rebels have traded
welcome back. the world is now demanding answers about how a large commercial aircraft carrying nearly 300 people could be shot out of the skies over europe. >> and now a few pieces of crucial evidence have been obtained by the xwrits. he -- united states. here's pentagon correspondent barbara starr. >> unknown to the world pro-russian rebels secretly moved a heavy arsenal of weapons into place days ago. weapons that would lead to the shootdown of malaysia airlines flight 17 according to a u.s. intelligence analysis. >> there was a convoy several weeks ago, about 150 vehicles with armed personnel carrier, multiple rocket launchers,
tanks, artillery, all of which crossed over from russia into the eastern part of ukraine and was turned over to the separatists. >> reporter: on thursday, within hours of the plane dropping off radar, the u.s. suspected a shootdown. the dossier to prove it was assembled by u.s. mill traer and intelligence analysts scouring highly classified data from spy satellites, radars and phone intercepts. they narrowed in on two pieces of critical information detected by u.s. satellite and radar feeds. first, a surface-to-air missile system had been turned on in a separate-controlled area in eastern ukraine. a moment later a u.s. satellite captured the heat signature of a midair explosion. >> we know that within hours of this event this particular system passed through two towns right in the vicinity of the
shootdown. we know because we observed it by imagery that at the moment of the shootdown we detected a launch from that area and our trajectory shows that it went to the aircraft. >> reporter: the conclusion -- a russian-plied buk surface-to-air missile. the evidence, intercepts of separatist communications posted on youtube by the ukrainian government indicate that they were in the possession of an sa-11 system as early as monday, july 14th. the sa-11, the western name for the buk. u.s. intelligence matched those voices to other separatist recordings. the rebels claim to have shot down a military transport plane. when it became clear it was a passenger jet, social media posts were quickly deleted. then there was this. a quick shot of what is believed to be the buk missile launcher
on its way back to russia. further evidence of a russian connection, u.s. intelligence has identified a facility in southwest russia where rebel fighters have been trained on surface-to-air missile systems. the u.s. also says more than a dozen aircraft were shot down over eastern ukraine in recent months, more than previously acknowledged. could the ukrainians have shot down flight 17? the u.s. says no. ukraine has the same weapons, but none of those weapons were in the region at the time. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> thanks to barbara starr for her excellent reporting throughout on all of this. the full picture of how and why flight 17 came down over eastern ukraine is still far from clear despeet all that barbara did lay out. how long until the conclusive answers do start emerging? we want to bring in our panel now. cnn military analyst lieutenant
colonel rick francona, former faa safety inspector david souci and security operation analyst bob baer. great to have you all back. david, i want to you first just in light of your background as a safety analyst as to why this plane was still flying over this part of the country, not so much to get at the airline for making the decision but to get to the regulators who let it fly. just before they had set the safe ceiling at 31,000 or 32,000 feet, this plane was at 33,000 feet. as a flier, that's not a very comfortable margin of error for me and i would imagine for our viewers as well. more and more we're hearing u.s. intel had knowledge of a weapons capability from these pro-russian separatists including these surface-to-air missiles. why was that plane still allowed to fly over that war zone? >> that's an excellent question. it comes down to one thing. and that's with safety, safety is based on assumptions,
assumptions that are made based on intelligence. and that intelligence didn't get to the right people. that intelligence was held up somehow, whether from the ukrainians, whether from the ukraine communication to the international civil aviation organization which is an arm of the united nations, that information didn't get there. this is disruptive technology. you have to couch this a little bit because the safety systems designed right now with iko and the rules and the regulations that are set up right now are based on one thing. that is that the takeoff and landing is the most vulnerable part of the flight and that technology which is available to separatists and folks that are threats are focusing on those areas. now we have this disruptive technology that the system wasn't designed to consider but they have to now. the iko needs to step forward with rules and has to be more diligent about making these rules and getting them out right away. >> yeah, i think this begs the
question does this demand a seachange of protocol now. >> yes. >> and to, colonel francona, i want you to listen to some sound. it came from candy crowley's program "state of the union" this morning. dianne feinstein talking about this incident. >> there are a lot of things that one can say as well as planes shouldn't have been over there in first place. but the fact of the matter is to use this kind of launching missile that travels at two to three times the speed of sound, that takes just seconds to get there, that's made for an entirely different purpose, to take down whether it is transports or helicopters, and in this case a very large passenger plane filled with almost 300 people including 80 children. >> 80 children. let's talk about what this is made up of. because the buk is not just one,
it is actually part of a much larger system of four parts of weaponry. however, as we discussed yesterday, it can still operate like that by itself. and if it doesn't have all the components, you miss key parts in terms of the most sophisticated parts of the radar. >> that's the problem with this. if you just have the radar, it can function independently. but it's meant to function as part of a system where it has identification of friend or foe, can query the aircraft, can find the exact altitude, not just a piece of metal in the sky but real detailed data about that. >> you think that's what it did. >> that's what happened. because if they had the acquisition radar, it wouldn't have engaged in target. it would have been patently obvious that this was a civilian aft. >> jim? >> if i can, i want to get back to you. we talked about this yesterday. but the entirely new territory we're in now, if you have weapons of this power that are able to threaten civilian
aircraft at an altitude that we thought, until three days ago, was safe, that's no longer the case. there's a responsibility issue here where should these warnings have gone out before this plane went down, but let's forget about that for a moment and look forward. what needs to be done now to make air travel safe knowing that these kind of weapons are out there and in the hands of not very reliable militant groups, how do you make flying safe going forward? >> well, jim, i think this is pretty much a wake-up call. these systems, the sa-11 isn't just in the ukraine. you've got parts of it in syria, you can come across the border in iraq. you've got hundreds of missing shoulder-fired weapons from libya that are going through africa and in these areas of conflict, whether nigeria or the caucasus, these planes are vulnerable. this is a seachange, we just cannot be flying over these places. there has to be better
coordination between intelligence services and sill air authorities. i mean, that plane should not have been flying over the southeastern ukraine. a transport had already been shot down. that should have been warning enough, but it was ignored. i think we're underestimating these conflicts and it's time to catch up. >> poppy, an incredible idea, bob making the point, these weapons systems not just in eastern ukraine but in syria, iraq. as we know there are groups in syria and iraq, isis, the one we've been talking about for a long time, that i'm sure would have no hesitation aiming at civilian aircraft. >> there are planes flying over these regions as we speak. and this is something that really questions policy a and international policy in terms of these aircraft. we'll be talking with a civil pilot. breaking news today also hamas claiming it has captured an israeli soldier. atika shubert is live with all
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border between israel and gaza. hamas claims it has captured an israeli soldier. israel has not commented on that claim. this could be a major development on this especially deadly day of fighting between israel and hamas. the group is naming the soldier and threatening him saying his fate rests with what israel says and does mow. >> ar teak ka schubert is there now. let's talk about this claim. because it's interesting that the israeli government has not responded yet. michael oren, the former israeli ambassador to the united states said earlier on cnn that he believes if the israeli government had quirled this, they would be telling the public about it. what do you know at this hour in terms of this claim, its legitimacy and exactly what segment of hamas it's coming from? >> well, it's coming from the qassam brigades. this is their military wing. they've been carrying out most of the attacks on the israeli forces successfully it appears in the last 24 hours, which is
why this new claim is being taken quite seriously. but we have not been able to independently confirm this claim. we are looking into it. we have asked the israel defense forces, but they've simply said they're aware of the reports and they're looking into it. but obviously a lot of questions being asked because you have to consider that in the last 24 hours, 13 soldiers have been killed, all part of the golani brigade. but there's not been any word from the idf at all about the possibility of a soldier being taken hostage. many asking if this was true, why wasn't this somehow brought about earlier. so still a lot of questions being asked here, poppy. >> atika, this is a tough day regardless fof t lesless for th military. 13 dead. deadliest side for the israeli conflict. more deaths combined than in their previous two gaza operations. now you have this prisoner possibly. i wonder where the israeli
public is, to this point they've been behind netanyahu, behind the operation, you lose 13 soldiers, you possibly have another israeli soldier captured by hamas. how quickly does it change the public support for the operation? >> we really don't know yet, but this is definitely, frankly a punch in the gut for the israeli public to see this kind of a death toll on the israeli side, i don't think was expected by many israelis. in 24 hours to lose 13 soldiers from an established elite infantry brigade, the golani brigade is a historic one with a good reputation here in israel. it has a lot of support. and so for that reason, to lose so many soldiers is quite a blow. if then on top of it, you now have this news of a possible soldier being kidnapped and held hostage, you're dealing what is really the worst fears of many people here in israel. they still have very bad memory
of gilad schalit, the other israeli soldier who was kidnapped, held hostage for years. so there's a lot of concern here. will it change public opinion? this news right now is still new fresh to tell, jim. >> and when you talk about that, there is real precedent here when you talk about gilad schalit being kidnapped by hamas in 2006, held for five years, eventually handed back over to israel in a prisoner exchange with more than 1,000 palestinians being released. the question becomes central here, i think, is morale both on the side of those in gaza who our viewers just saw cheering in the streets thon news and morale on the side of israel. if this is indeed confirmed, could this change the game in terms of israel's willingness to make some concessions at the bargaining table here? >> i think it could be a game changer, but we still really have to see. we have not confirmed this yet.
you know, you have to remember, hamas has done things like this in the past where it's said it's done something, then the reality has turned out to be quite di different. so we still have to wait for that. it could change public opinion. but even without the possibility of a soldier being kidnapped, the fact that 13 soldiers have been lost so quickly in just, you know, the beginning of what is the extension of this ground operation, that's already a shock to the public here. so the question is is this going to mean that the public says, you know, let's pull back the operation or do they say, no, hit harder, fix this problem once and for all. there is certainly a segment of society here that says they want to go in much more aggressively and even take over all of the gaza strip. so we'll have to see which way this turns public opinion. >> and we did hear just hours ago earlier today from ult imisraeli officials saying to their people, prepare for the
long haul here. of course, that is before this news came out. atika shubert, appreciate the reporting for us on the israel/gaza border. >> we should mention the deadliest day on the palestinian side. some 87 people killed there as of last count on the gaza side of the border. a short time ago i spoke with former israeli ambassador to the u.s. michael oren about these reports of the captured israeli soldier. here's what he had to say. >> this has already been a very tragic day in israel. the death of 13 soldiers in one night last night. and prime minister netanyahu, and the defense minister gave a public press conference tonight to address that tragic loss and to sort of buffet up the israeli public opinion as this ground incursion of operation protective edge moves forward. they did not mention the kidnapping of a soldier, though that would be one of hamas' primary objectives.
one of the reasons they've dug so many tunnels so deeply from the gaza strip under the border into israeli territory has been with the express purpose of capturing israelis, soldiers or civilians, bringing them back to gaza, holding them hostage and exchanging them later for palestinian prisoners in israeli jails. this was the case of corporal gilad schalit who was capture just that way and held for five years and eventually exchanged for 1,000 palestinian prisoners. our wolf blitzer spoke with benjamin netanyahu today. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back.
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netanyahu to talk about the escalating violence in gaza. >> many israeli friends have said to me they're deeply concerned about what they see in this rise tiny but very violent and dangerous jewish extremism as they saw with that murder o that young palestinian boy and the aftermath of those three israeli teen aerjs that were kidnapped and killed. how concerned are you about this? because that police report ta came out, you read that. that was awful. >> here's the difference. we don't glorify these killer. we apprehended them three days after that tragic killing immediately put them in custody. we're putting them on trial. they'll serve a good chunk of their lives in jails. we don't name public qusquares after them. we don't educate our children in suicide camps as happens on the hamas side. no peace, no two-state solution,
nothing. just jihad. more and more violence, more and more murder and more and more bloodshed. this is not our way. we have, i think a society is test tested not by the extreme fringes of that society, but how it takes care of them. we take care of those extreme fringes. we basically isolate them and ostracize them and punish them. i think what you see in palestinian society but especially in gaza, these people are lionized. and the worst thing, the worst, is that they use their children. they use their civilians. they don't give any thought about them. i mean the hamas leaders are divided into two. those who are in underground bunkers in gaza, they don't care, let the people there, you know with the rocketeers and the attack tunnels, let them die as israel tries to surgically take them out. but they're safe underground, the military leaders. then they've got
the political leader, this guy khalid marshall, roaming around five-star hotel suites in the gulf states, having a good time of his life while he's deliberating putting his people as fodder for this horrible terrorist war that they're conducting against us. so this has to stop, and i think many people in gaza understand that hamas is destroying gaza, destroying their lives. >> wolf blitzer with a smart look into the bitter emotions on both sides of this conflict going on now in gaza. >> meantime, a family of six killed in the crash of malaysia airlines flight 17. a family of six. one community that is reeling from the shock of that trying to cope in any way they can. we'll bring you their story.
we want to give you an update on the crash investigation of flight 17. they've moved bodies to refrigerated train cars. so far the remains of more than 230 of the 298 people on board have been recovered. those bodies still going to rebel-controlled territory. the crash investigation remains a struggle as rebels blocking access to parts of the 13-mile debris field and there is confusion over whether rebel searches may have found at least one of the so-called black box data recorders. western leaders are demanding
that russia's president vladimir putin pressured rebel forces to step aside so that crash investigators can do their work. >> six of those killed were from one family. >> a teen aernl ager unable to understand why her friend is gone. that's her? >> yes. >> she wanted to talk to me. we'll do it for jinta, her friend said. but she couldn't speak. 15-year-old jinta was on flight mh-17 with her parents, brother and two sisters heading on their summer holiday to kuala lumpur. >> every time happy. >> reporter: you grew up together? >> yes. every day we saw her as a good
friend. she was good. >> reporter: and you wrote this note for her. >> yes. >> reporter: can you tell me what it says? >> it says that every time right here with us. >> reporter: throughout the day we saw people from across this community bringing tributes, lighting candles. a group of passing cyclists stopped for a moment to pay their respects. this man tells me he didn't know the family. he isn't from here. but felt compelled to drive here to say a prayer and leave flowers. across the village, we found rows of houses flying their flags at half mast. >> the community is still in shock, in a fairly deep level of
shock. i think people are still trying to handle the situation. >> reporter: among the tributes, these hearts with the names of all members of the family. six of them. and children at the school where the youngest went, the youngest of the four children, they wrote notes at the memorial yesterday and stuck it to this tree. this one addressed to brett, the eldest son saying, brett, i'll miss you. dear family, you didn't deserve this. this note from one of the friends of one of the girls saying, you will now be a bright star. this message from the teacher saying, i can't believe i won't see you again. and this message is actually from the children's baby-sitter, so she has all the names of the children here. and she says, no words and then one simply, why.
gone so suddenly, so brutally, untimely deaths for a young family friends loved so much. >> we don't understand it. >> yes. >> she thinks she come back to here, but can't. >> reporting for cnn, near amsterdam. >> that's heartbreaking. their loved ones are gone, now family members of those killed on board the downed airliner are living another nightmare. not knowing when or if they will get to bury their loved ones or where their remains are going to go. we're going to dig into that next.
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three days after malaysia airlines flight 17 was shot out of the sky, the families of those aboard are suffering unimaginable grief. and just today, the remains of 192 of those victims were loaded on to refrigerated train cars, but it appears that they are not even close to being returned home for a proper burial. joining me now, cnn aviation correspondent, richard quest, in new york in me and les abenn, and miles o'brien joins us as well. richard, when you talk about how these bodies have been handled, it has been anything but dignified. there have been reports of looting, of credit cards,
valuables being taken. we have seen some horrifying images. now, apparently, three days later, being put into refrigerated train cars. we don't yet know where they're going. we suppose they're going to donet donetsk, but we don't know. >> we don't. rebels say they are awaiting international experts. they have also said that they have made plans for the trains to be taken to doan netsing, but we have no confirmation on anything. now, these are refrigerated vehicles, but they are not refrigerated to sufficient levels and certainly they are not meeting the sort of international standards that would be respected or expected for human remains like this. so, the -- abhorrent situation continues and crucially, poppy, there's still no ability to get the experts in. these bodies were recovered by some emergency service workers from ukraine, some volunteers.
now, it is a mod couple of progress, but it is by no means satisfactory. >> and the fact that you have some of the pro-russian rebels saying today that if indeed what they have is that so-called black box, that they have no intention of turning it over, at least to ukrainen authorities, so, what owes a he is to say they will turn over victims to ukrainian authorities? >> things are slightly different. i think the black boxes, if they have got them as they say they have, they say they will hand them over to international experts but the international experts, the ntsb, all the people, they have got to get there. we know there is one from the ntsb, since from the british, several to the french, need to get to the region. >> need many more on the ground to do. this miles, when you talk about what the families want, of course, they want their loved ones back and they can't have that, but at least they want all of the answers that they can get. now, as you and i talked about extensively yesterday, they know
a lot about what happened here already. however, if -- if authorities unable to uncover or receive those black boxes, it -- does this really critically hamper a full and final investigation or is there enough evidence outside of what may be on those data recorders for the families to get full knowledge of what has transpired? >> i think the latter is largely true, poppy. it's always nice to know more, but we know enough. and it's important also to remember that while it was, in fact, a missile that brought this aircraft down, like any aircraft accident or tragedy or incident like this, it is a chain of events that occurs that leads up to it and that includes a whole series of events that occurred, the fact that the flight plan was flown over ukraine, the fact that the separatists didn't declare a no-fly zone over the turf that they held as province. the fact that ukraine allowed
overflights of civilian airliners over their territory, perhaps because the airlines pay permits to do that. the fact that the russians allowed these surface-to-air missiles across the border. all these things, if you pull any one of those things out of the chain, the chain breaks and there's no incident. so there's a big picture which extends beyond the wreckage field. >> i want to bring les aben in, miles jump in and you too, richard, les, you currently fly a 777. in terms of the control you have as a pilot over exactly the route you are going to take, what first comes to your mind when you're given the flight plan, et cetera, how much control do you have to say i'm not comfortable with this? we are talking about 1,000-foot difference here between they weren't allowed to fly at 32,000 feet. they were flying 3593,000 feet in this region? >> first of all, i have to be aware, like miles was talking about i have to be aware that this threat potentially exists out there. >> but that was pretty clear. the faa had warned about this
area. >> the faa did but to what extent was it a threat to that particular airplane or airplanes there were over 800 flights that went through that area in the week prior to this incident. dispatch and myself as a captain make that decision, but generally, we do it electronically. we are not dealing with this kind of threat, at least from the states in any case. so the last thing in our mind as pilots is the fact that we have the potential to be shot down by a missile. >> but if -- if you had boarded that plane or you were about to take that flight and you'd read in the news about what had happened earlier in the week, would a captain ever have the gumption, whatever i'd like to say to dispatch, i see where you want me to go. i'm not comfortable, i want to go that way? >> absolutely and that's something that i can talk with the dispatcher about, more fuel would be required, now we are up
against some pressure as far as if we add more fuel, do we have to dump some passengers and cargo? >> right. >> and if that's the case, i can be firm enough about it to say, nah, this is not -- not a situation i want to deal. i may have to answer to a chief pilot. chances are with my airline, it would never be questioned, but these are -- this is the kind of stuff you deal with dismatch. >> miles, quickly, your pilot quickly, does this change the game in terms of looking at your flight plan? >> i don't ever want to be on a plane where the captain can't veto the flight plan because he is concerned about safety. period. commercial interests are important. the airline needs to stay in business. safety should always be first. and the honest to goodness truth is day after day, it isn't always that way. >> miles o'brien, richard quest, les abend, thank you for your expertise, bring you on later in the show. appreciate it. meantime, the top five questions we have on the shoot down of mh-17, we are going to break them down, straight ahead. y for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income.
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